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Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.16 20:48:00 - [1] EVE Can Be Viewed As A Study Of The Human Condition How many things do you not do simply because you fear it's consequence? If there are no cops on the road would you speed? Answer: Yes. If you could not be arrested for shoplifting at your favorite electronics store would you take that big screen HD TV you have been wanting? Answer: Yes. If a truly beautiful woman (I mean stunningly beutiful) showed genuine interest in your tubby, overweight aging body would you cheat if no one would ever know? Answer: Yes. If that same woman proclaimed her undying love for you (and she was wealthy) would you leave your current marriage, kids and family to move overseas and be with her? (Really think about it) Answer: Yes. I can keep going and going with this (for like pages ) bringing into question everything that you base your entire moral reality on in Real Life. Eve is unique in that it allows for the individual (you) to exist in a world totally free of all moral consequence. "Because after all "It is just a game" Here in EVE you are presented with choices every day that may only come once or twice in your life outside of EVE. Choices like "Should I steal this because it will benefit me greatly?" or "Should I pester this person until I get my desired emotional response?" all the while you KNOW that whatever you do will not effect you in any way shape or form. Because it is ONLY a game. Right? . . . Here, in this digital RL simulator you can get a glimpse of yourself (and the choices you are capable of making) in an arena that absolves you of all consequence, repercussions and yes, even your God. Your God doesn't care what you do in EVE now does it? Yes this is just a game... But a human is at the keyboard playing it, and in order for it to exist you must make a choice. That choice can only be reflect the "You" free of the consequences of your actions. Because eve is far to complex to be a simple "First person shooter. It is a unique environment that requires that you make choices in order to play. When Leonardo Da vinci took it upon himself to paint people as they truly are on the inside This Is What He Depicted Eve is just an unexpected doorway to help bring mankind's purest, undiluted nature to the surface.
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.16 21:06:00 - [2] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Eternum Praetorian But a human is at the keyboard playing it, and in order for it to exist you must make a choice. That choice can only reflect the "You" free of the consequences of your actions. Highly unlikely. If it did, EVE would no longer function, and people would not play it the way most of them do. So it most certainly reflects far more than "only the consequence-free you". To say that it also reflects more, is not to say that it does not reflect it. I attempted to streamline the post as much as possible, it's long enough as it is.
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.16 21:11:00 - [3] Originally by: Karl Planck Throwing a lot of these examples at us is just stupid because if the world had no consequences, then everything would be different. Why not? It is a demonstration of how paper thin your moral foundation really is?
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.16 21:28:00 - [4] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 16/03/2011 21:31:04 Originally by: Karl Planck Debate Team Winner Now you are simply diluting the opposing perspective as much as possible by asking extremely vague questions in an attempt to dissolve its credibility. Just because you don't have an idea, does that automatically follow that no one else does? Why must we believe that an experiment cannot be made to give us a glimpse of said truth (should it exist)? People in RL study eve to observe it's unique market, why can't people do the same to observe Psychological tendencies? You see Mr. Walt Disney, I know the game of debate your playing with me and I can do it to P.S. Now is where you say "I am not playing any game", call me an idiot, and then reaffirm your vague set of questions (intended to nullify my stance) with couple of random facts thrown into the mix to enhance your credibility over my own. Commence.
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.16 21:33:00 - [5] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 16/03/2011 21:33:33 And I say that your statistics are far too short sighted and full of crap, Lost Greybeard. What now?
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.16 21:42:00 - [6] No I am in fact saying that your statistics don't take into account enough factors to be reliably accurate over much longer periods of time.
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.16 22:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Karl Planck Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 16/03/2011 21:31:04 Originally by: Karl Planck Argument of Awesome Sauce Now you are simply diluting the opposing perspective as much as possible by asking extremely vague questions in an attempt to dissolve its credibility. Just because you don't have an idea, does that automatically follow that no one else does? Why must we believe that an experiment cannot be made to give us a glimpse of said truth (should it exist)? People in RL study eve to observe it's unique market, why can't people do the same to observe Psychological tendencies? You see Mr. Walt Disney, I know the game of debate your playing with me and I can do it to P.S. Now is where you say "I am not playing any game", call me an idiot, and then reaffirm your vague set of questions (intended to nullify my stance) with couple of random facts thrown into the mix to enhance your credibility over my own. Commence. Not even sure what you are arguing against, next time leave the actual text. I have quite a few posts on this thread Nice dodge bud. You must play basketball too.
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.17 20:19:00 - [8] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 17/03/2011 20:25:58 I think what your all trying to say is 1.) Eve is a game where you can do as you please And most importantly... 2.) You feel that you are morally and ethically justified most of the time (Big Surprise Right?) That pretty much sum things up, amiright? @ Cypher Jones Please elaborate on your concrete moral and ethical foundations, I would be curious to hear them? And no I am not trolling you, I try to pay close attention to other peoples varying perspectives whether I find them factual or not. I would like to know why my statement made me look like some kind of cat poo that got stuck to the bottom of your shoe? Do you truly not observe this kind of behavior in most of the Human Beings that surround you?
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.17 20:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Eternum Praetorian My Stuff You're a real pice of ** IRL if you really mean that. Why? This is an observable quality of (at the very least) a vast majority of the Human population? Why does stating this on a video game forum make me a real piece of RL **?
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.17 23:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Eternum Praetorian My Stuff You're a real pice of ** IRL if you really mean that. Why? This is an observable quality of (at the very least) a vast majority of the Human population? Why does stating this on a video game forum make me a real piece of RL **? No, the vast majority of people do not act as you have suggested in the scenarios I quoted you on. What a happy little world you live in...

Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.18 12:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Marija Vanszar I'm pretty sure you can take EVE as a WHAT IF SIMULATION in that case... People only act like they act becouse of rules and laws and expectations from the RL community... If 90 % of the planet would ** next to the our it would be normal.... So if there were no rules and laws... ** would hit the fan like in 0.0 Br, Joker At least some people here have enough sense to get it
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2011.03.19 12:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Alexstrasza Moonglow For example, I play games to escape reality. In reality, I'm the average Joe, with an 8 hour job, with a normal car and who doesn't do anything spectacular or illegal. I can't crash my car into someone who **ed me off in traffic. I can't do drugs. I can't scam people without having legal repercussions haunting me... . . . In the game, I can fly a ship and blast through the hull of someone who's stealing from my asteroids. I can use boosters and I can scam people who don't pay attention via contracts. I think the movie "FIght Club" addressed this phenomena Every last person on this earth is in fact someone else when they are released from any/all of their moral, ethical, social and perceptual binds. This is actually very basic stuff, and it's disturbing how many people do not understand this about themselves, and any given social populations. Eve provides an outlet for these tendencies, allowing them to manifest themselves in a digitally rendered environment free of all consequences. As time passes and MMO's develop further than EVE Online is presently, this effect may become even more pronounced over time. But ofc I Will End With This: "We all know that you, the reader, feel morally and ethically justified most of the time? Amiright? Even faced with others who feel equally morally and ethically justified with things that directly contradict** your own, you are still able to "See The Light" over other lesser minds Well paint me stunned

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